Sheriff's office searching for home invaders

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Sheriff Jud Smith said last last week that based on the preliminary investigation of the July 11 home invasion on Jessica Court, the armed suspects might have known the victim who was in the home at the time of the incident.

"We have reason to believe that the victim and the suspects may know each other," Smith said. "We are still investigating any connection and have spoken to the victim about the days and hours leading up to the incident."

The sheriff said the crime was "100 percent unrelated" to a home invasion two days earlier in Statham. The Statham Police Department is investigating that July 9 invasion. That suspect was described as a white male armed with a handgun. He was wearing a dark hoodie, ski mask and jeans. He fled in a dark-colored pick-up truck. The two suspects in Wednesday's home invasion were black men armed with a shotgun. They are believed to have driven away in a gray, four-door sedan.

"We feel that this was an isolated incident at this particular home," Smith said. "We do not feel the suspects are randomly targeting homes."

JULY 12 2012
The Barrow County Sheriff's Office is searching for two masked men who on July 11 invaded a home on Jessica Court in Winder. Investigators believe the incident was isolated and poses no threat to other residents in the other area, but the suspects are not in custody.

The incident occurred shortly after 3:15 p.m. Wednesday when the two men, one of them armed with a shotgun, entered the home and ordered the male resident not to move. When the resident instead attempted to hide, one of the suspects fired the shotgun at him but missed. The resident, armed with a pistol, then shot back and the suspects fled. Neither suspect appeared to be injured.

While the incident appears isolated, deputies have beefed up patrols of the area. One suspect was described as a light-skinned black male, about six feet tall, and wearing jeans and a gray T-shirt. The other is a dark-skinned black male, about 5 1/2 feet tall, and his T-shirt was red and black. Both suspects have short-cropped hair. They may have driven away in a gray, four-door sedan, according to a press release.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Criminal Investigations Division at 770-307-3080, extension 3083.

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#1 Light of the silvery moon on 07/12/12 at 04:01 PM [Reply]

Which of the following statements indicate that other residents are safe and under no threat from these suspects?

{Investigators believe the incident was isolated and poses no threat to other residents in the other area, but the suspects are not in custody.
When the resident instead attempted to hide, one of the suspects fired the shotgun at him but missed.)

O'tay, maybe I missed something. There may be no threat because the suspects missed thier target with shotgun!

#2 pat on 07/12/12 at 05:33 PM [Reply]

this makes two home breakins in this area a week does it not

#3 Anonymous on 07/12/12 at 07:05 PM [Reply]

athens crap is coming our way its only a matter of time.

#4 Glad on 07/12/12 at 10:20 PM [Reply]

to see all the off duty deputies take home cars discouraging CRIME!!! then again they probably are in different counties

#4.1 Anonymous on 07/13/12 at 06:49 AM [Reply]

more sour grapes. give it a rest.

#4.2 Anon on 07/13/12 at 08:26 AM [Reply]

Oh my! Do you put this on every post?

#5 Anonymous on 07/13/12 at 08:33 AM [Reply]

I CANT BELIEVE IT HAPPENED HONESTLY... ALL I CAN SAY IS I AM NOW A FIRM BELIEVER IN THE RIGHT TO CARRY, AS IT IS THE ONLY REASON THE SUSPECTS FLED... THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A GOOD AREA TO RESIDE...

#6 Odins Eye on 07/13/12 at 08:43 AM [Reply]

[[Investigators believe the incident was isolated and poses no threat to other residents in the other area, but the suspects are not in custody.]]

Where is the Sheriff on this, why hasn't he made an annoucement???
Protect and arm yourselves and be aware.

Typical of government, while people are shot at in their homes by invaders, they tell the people not to be alarmed....ha!

I keep my backhoe keys right next to my shotgun...no need to call the law.

Beware and be aware.

-Hropt

#7 Armedwoman on 07/13/12 at 09:04 AM [Reply]

Someone came into my home....they would not be walking out.

And yes, this is the second one recently. But we are not supposed to be alarmed?? Really??

#8 Former Kennesaw Resident on 07/13/12 at 02:55 PM [Reply]

Things I miss about living in Kennesaw, GA.

1) Consistently rated as the Safest City in the Nation

2) Less than 1 homicide per year over the last 5 years.

3) City Ordinance: Every head of household that can legally do so, is mandated to own and maintain a firearm.

#8.1 Anonymous on 07/13/12 at 05:37 PM [Reply]

Why don't you move back there, so you and the other gun nuts can have a pistol-packing orgy?

#8.1.1 TickedOff on 07/13/12 at 10:02 PM [Reply]

Im curious to know what you would do given the same senario happened to your family? Let me guess. Talk, be diplomatic, negotiate? A page from Obamas terrorist tactics no doubt. Give me a break, guns don't kill people, people kill people. We have the right to bear arms. You dont want to exercise that right, fine. Don't criticize those who do.

#8.1.1.1 Anonymous on 07/14/12 at 12:01 AM [Reply]

Get one thing straight, cowboy, you lack the power and authority to enforce your imperative directing me not to "criticize." You worship the 2nd amendment. Fine. Try reading the 1st one.
The country would be better off if no one possessed hand guns. And, BTW, if Obama is re-elected and gets to appoint ONE Supreme Court justice, you can kiss that 5-4 decision affirming the individual right to keep & bear arms goodbye.

#8.1.1.1.1 Former Kennesaw Resident on 07/14/12 at 07:28 AM [Reply]

If you believe taking firearms away from everyone will solve all the problems you are wrong. Look at Austrailia and England when they banned firearms. Their crime rates sky rocketed.

Criminals are predators. Predators prey on the weakest of the population. They watch the herd and determine which one is the weakest. Then they sit back and wait for an opportunity to strike. (Watch animal planet or national geographic, you'll see). If a predator has a reason to believe that their prey may fight back, they will not strike.

If Criminals have reason to believe that their potential victim is armed, they wont take the chance of being carried by 6.

#8.1.1.1.2 Barrow native on 07/14/12 at 10:02 AM [Reply]

And in true liberal fashion, you failed to answer the question but instead lashed out with a diatribe about your 1st amendment rights.

#8.1.1.1.3 TickedOff on 07/14/12 at 10:08 AM [Reply]

Typical bedwetting liberal, communist, Obama response. Avoid the question in which you are incapable of answering anyway. But I do like the little "cowboy" reference. I can tell you this, break in my house and rest assured I will show anyone what is capable of being enforced.

#8.1.1.1.3.1 Anonymous on 07/14/12 at 10:34 AM [Reply]

It is a not a matter of "avoiding" a question. It is informing you that you lack the power to enforce your command that I not "criticize." In your eyes that makes me a "communist." Yeah, those "liberal" amendments that you despise are pesky. It's only the 2nd that you worship. Go out and play with your pistol. It compensates for your other shortcomings, I guess. (At least that's what your wife said.)

#8.1.1.1.3.1.1 Former Kennesaw Resident on 07/14/12 at 10:45 AM [Reply]

Hey bed wetter, you still haven't answered Tickedoff's question? What would you do in the situation?

#8.1.1.1.4 cpsmith on 07/14/12 at 10:17 AM [Reply]

Only two types of people want gun control. Politicians and Criminals. One wants it to keep power. Oddly it's for the same reason: to have power over those that don't have them.

#8.1.2 Karen on 07/16/12 at 07:15 PM [Reply]

I am proud to be part of the pistol packing community. We have the right to protect our family and our property. Would you rather the only ones able to carry firearms be the criminals?

#8.1.2.1 Anonymous on 07/16/12 at 10:10 PM [Reply]

I would prefer that NO ONE carry firearms. The country would be a lot better off there were no handguns whatsoever, including yours.

#8.1.2.2 Top Gun on 07/17/12 at 10:22 AM [Reply]

I'm sure that banning guns will stop all gun crime. NOT!! Should we ban all cars to keep people from speeding? Maybe ban all knives to keep people from being stabbed? This is not how it works. Criminals will be criminals- one way or another. You never have to worry about one of my guns harming anyone- unless you are in my home threatening my life.

#8.1.2.2.1 Anonymous on 07/17/12 at 12:26 PM [Reply]

If you cannot distinguish between guns and cars & knives, then you are way too dumb to go armed. Cars & knives have purposes other than to kill. With hand guns, that is their ONLY purpose: to kill or to cause great physical harm to another human being. If NO ONE (including criminals) possessed these lethal instruments, then NO ONE would be injured by them. But, of course, you cannot REASON with a gun nut. Intoxicated by the scent of gunsmoke, you cling to the religion of Smith & Wesson.

#8.1.2.2.1.1 Longtime on 07/18/12 at 04:47 PM [Reply]

In a PERFECT WORLD, IF we could make them ALL, Every single one Cease to exist, I suppose many a man would push a button to make that happen, but that is not reality. If you OUTLAW Guns, then only the OUTLAWS will have them. Why does the United States and other Countries all over the planet have Nuclear Weapons stored all over? What other use do they have? A DETERANT, that is why, it keeps Aggressors in check, so Since I have no magic button to vaporize every weapon on Earth, I will retain my right to be armed as well. I have no intent or desire to every have to exercise the use of my handgun against another human, but I will if it comes to that. Criminals ARE Preditors and unfortunately my Handgun is a tool necessary if a those preditors attack one day. Preditors/Criminals do seek the weaker targets, I will not present myself as one.

It also prevents tyranny from our own leaders if they were to take the wrong path one day as well. A Necessary Evil. If one day the U.S. appears so weak (which probably means continues down the path we are already headed) to another nation, that that nation decides we are weak enough to be overtaken, well you will be glad some of us have a firearm then.

We do not need to be quick to go to our guns as citizens or Law Enforcement, I think of them as a tool of last resort. Banning Guns would be the worst mistake we could make though.

#8.2 Anonymous on 07/13/12 at 09:46 PM [Reply]

I can attest to the firearms ordinance. It apparently helps keep curious folks from breaking in!

#9 Anonymous on 07/13/12 at 04:42 PM [Reply]

Do any of you think maybe there is more to this than can be released just yet? Quiet often a "victim" placed theirself in the situation. Dont know if this is the case but possibly. And thats an awesome statement about the backhoe keys. Legally protect yourself then unlawfully hide a scene. You are brilliant.

#9.1 yeah on 07/14/12 at 06:22 AM [Reply]

you are right one day i placed myself on a bus, three men moved from the seats they sat in one in front one behind and one across the aisle from me, it was me them and the driver, I removed my smith and wesson and rolled the cylinder, the three men moved away and left the bus... yes I put myself in the situation by dressing nice and riding the bus....

#10 sovrncitzn on 07/14/12 at 08:22 AM [Reply]

WOW!!! someone doesnt like guns. If Obramney signs onto the UN small arms treaty, The supreme court will side with the treaty not the constitution. Regardless of which one of thoes criminals appoints the judge. Once this happens local lawenforcement will then start to work with homeland security and the military and possibly UN and or NATO forces to disarm the people. They will not start out here in the country side they will start in the inner cities with the gangs. Look at chicago. All the white country boys will probaly applaude this just understand your next. It will be intresting to see if our local cops will go along with this. I have heard many say they wont, but when it comes to our rights or food on the table I wonder what they will choose liberty or security.

#11 Odins Eye on 07/14/12 at 09:43 AM [Reply]

The government may be able to take our guns, but they cannot take our machine shops or the highly skilled folks who are machinists.
I can make guns all day long.

Be ware and be aware

-Hropt

#12 cpsmith on 07/14/12 at 09:51 AM [Reply]

The UN is soooo good at confiscating firearms from people. That's why the UN gets squashed whenever they move into a country for "peace keeping"

#13 sovrncitzn on 07/14/12 at 10:28 AM [Reply]

Trust me the un and our military as well handel alot of these countries with kids gloves. This is done to give the illusion that they are incompetent. We are one of the few countries left where you can own and carry firearms. To set up the new world order they will have to disarm the american public. They dont have to get everyone just the majority. Those of us who choose to fight will more than likley be pushed into caves like the taliban. When they move to take our guns they will show no mercy or give no quater.You will turn in your guns or you will be labled a terrorist hunted down a killed. http://www.cspoa.org/

#14 James on 07/17/12 at 12:35 AM [Reply]

i got to say this sounds and maybe i am wrong but they are in the drug business or they live on the same street as the dealers and these morons got the wrong house. either way these guys where not just there checkin doors,,,barrow county has a drug problem and these crimes can do and will grow .. lets all pray for our police on the streets and that we never have to do what has to be done..

#15 sovrncitzn on 07/17/12 at 05:10 PM [Reply]

Those of you who dont like guns and dont want anyone else to have one, you should put a sign up in your front yard "THIS IS A GUN FREE HOME". You do not have a right to be safe in your home on the premiss that you are armed like everyone else. Also how do you think you will get our guns. Do you think that if Obarmney signs some treaty. Or those criminals that run our local, state and federal goverments will simply pass a law. You still have to come get them. What are you going to do send those fat doghnut chasers. L.O.L. There will not be another New Orleans.

#16 Tom on 07/17/12 at 06:59 PM [Reply]

Well if you take away all guns then there would be no reason for cops to carry then either. Then who would protect you no gun lovers. You would then start complaining they must protect me I am the tax paying public.

You non-gun lovers are so stupid.

Hope you never need one.

I am not going to protect you with mine.

#16.1 Anonymous on 07/17/12 at 09:30 PM [Reply]

For years, cops in England didn't carry guns. They survived quite nicely.

As for your "stupid" belief, it's well-known that the more intelligent higher-educated civilized and evolved human beings harbor no pathological "love" for firearms.

The lower levels of society cling to guns and religion, especially when challenged about their outdated beliefs.

IOW, I'll match my I.Q. against yours. Anytime.

The world would be better off if no one possessed hand guns.

#16.1.1 Actually on 07/18/12 at 05:13 AM [Reply]

When England took firearms away from law enforcement, their crime rates sky rocketted. The criminals new that they had the upper hand and took advantage. That's why they now carry firearms.

The anti-gun crowd has no stats to back their beliefs that taking away guns will make things better. They live in a fantasy land that not even Hollywood wants to portray in movies.

The reality is, and statistics prove it, the more prevolent firearm possession is, the lower the crime rate. Even in the "Wild West." There was less crime during the fronteir days during the growth of the West than there was in the "Civilized" East. The reason is, that crime was at such a low rate, that it became more pronounced and glamourized when it occurred.

#16.1.1.1 well on 07/18/12 at 07:14 AM [Reply]

to say they took firearms away is not exactly correct, most ptrol constables have not beenissued carry arms to this day, back in the late 60s the Crown passed a law that only in required areas and trained police may carry sidearms, even to this day it is regulated as when and why a request must be put in for patrol officers, the Ulster Police were issued firearms but that had more to do with where they were and the fact there was civil war in progress with the IRA.
In the year 2007-08, there were 6,780 Authorised Firearms Officers, 21,181 police operations in which firearms were authorised throughout England and Wales and 7 incidents where conventional firearms were used by police

#16.1.1.2 Anonymous on 07/18/12 at 09:19 AM [Reply]

Of course there are no "stats" to prove that things would be safer if hand guns were banned. You cannot quantify what does not exist. So, it's simply specious reasoning to condemn an idea because there are no statistics to support it. However, it's good common sense to note that, obviously, no guns would mean that no one would be killed, murdered or injured by these terrible weapons.

#16.1.1.2.1 Odins Eye on 07/18/12 at 10:09 AM [Reply]

Those who are anti-gun, those who beleive that citizens do not have a right to bear arms.
These people are willfully ignorant of world history and the mass murder of millions of people at the hands of their own goverments in the 20th century .
The likes of Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot and Mao all had gun confiscation programs in place, before they systematicaly murdered millions of their own countrymen.
So tell me again just how safe we all will be when gun rights are taken from the people.

History proves you wrong.

-Woton

#16.1.1.2.1.1 Anonymous on 07/18/12 at 04:24 PM [Reply]

Your analogy does not conform with parameters of what has previously been posited, viz., that NO ONE possess guns. In your clever little historical parable, the bad guys retained arms while depriving the people of the same. To reiterate: the world would be better off if
NO ONE (including criminals, despots and gun-worshiping nuts) had guns.

#16.1.1.2.1.1.1 Odins Eye on 07/19/12 at 02:00 PM [Reply]

My post is historically accurate and provable.
Your response however is delusional fantasy and un-provable.
and your request for an IQ match...more fantasy.

-Harrier

#16.1.1.2.2 Actually on 07/18/12 at 11:41 AM [Reply]

The reason why there are no statistics that show the world would be safer if you take away all the guns is because they show that things get worse. When you take away guns, you are only left with criminals that are armed with no one to stand in the way to stop them.

The reason why governments favor gun control so much, is because it illimates the threat of an overthrow. That is the underlying reason of the Second Amendment. Which is outlined in the Declaration of Independence, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it."

#16.1.2 Anonymous on 07/18/12 at 10:30 AM [Reply]

There is the "I will match my IQ against yours" statement. Usually means they are dumb and trying to cover up for their short comings.

My friend I don't care how smart you are. You are ONE VOTE just like the rest of us. You mean no more than the next man in that voting booth.

Do you know how many guns exist in USA that the cops don't know someone has? They could never take all guns up. Live with that smart man.

Don't cry to me when something happens.

#16.1.2.1 Anonymous on 07/18/12 at 03:52 PM [Reply]

The "IQ match" was in response to a previous post which referred to me as "stupid." Therefore, I offered to match my intellectual bona fides against his. Simple as that.

#17 sovrncitzn on 07/18/12 at 05:35 AM [Reply]

I do like the idea of disarming the police. Can you imagine how nice they would be if we took their duty weapons. Guess those no knock warrants and thoes knock and talks would come to an abrupt end.

#18 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 07:30 AM [Reply]

It's a proud day for gun nuts. 12 dead, 50 wounded in Colorado. Give the constitution a rest, kooks!

#19 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 08:25 AM [Reply]

Yeah the gun crowd here in Barrow really needs to control their killing instincts. Got to kill something whether it's a defenseless animal or even their wife.

#19.1 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 02:41 PM [Reply]

I own guns, but I am not a fanatic about it. My favorite is a German police pistol. Sometimes I spend hours in front of the mirror posing with it. Makes me look tuff you bet! If I had a girlfriend you could ask her.

#20 TickedOff on 07/20/12 at 09:09 AM [Reply]

The guns didnt do it, the nut did.

#20.1 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 09:37 AM [Reply]

Tell that to the families of the victims, gun nut.
If the lone white killer had not had easy access to assault weapons, shotguns etc., 12 people would still be alive right now. But, you keep right on hiding behind cliches. 12 people are dead. 50 are wounded. All because of a gun nut.

#20.1.1 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 11:21 AM [Reply]

Then don't control the guns control the bullets. A gun is no good without a bullet.

#21 Odins Eye on 07/20/12 at 11:24 AM [Reply]

Guns are only tools, like hammers and knives.
It is the twisted and tormented brain that did the killings in Colorado.
Today hundreds of wowmen and children will be killed by pharmaceuticals prescribed by a doctor.....but thats not gorey enough for the press..so it goes un-reported.

Not part of the progressive agenda I guess.

-Woton

#21.1 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 11:55 AM [Reply]

Guns are "only" tools? Yeah, massacres with hammers, screwdrivers and pliers are so commonplace. It's the lethality and purpose that distinguishes firearms from the other "tools." But, when you exist in Asgard reality, facts in this universe are not your strong suit. Go back to dressing as The Mighty Thor!

#21.1.1 Anonymous on 07/21/12 at 02:55 PM [Reply]

we should all take a more commonsensical, measured approach to the call for a gun ban. Lunatic mass murderers will not be stopped by gun bans or confiscations; those with criminal intent will always find a way to access firearms. If we revoke freedoms and liberties in reaction to every tragedy, we will soon not only outlaw all guns, but also knives, screwdrivers, hammers, pipes, and eventually pens. But blaming the tools is just a small step better than blaming the victims. Instead, let’s put the blame where it belongs: on the murderer

#21.1.1.1 Anonymous on 07/21/12 at 03:23 PM [Reply]

True common sense would acknowledge that access to firearms facilitates deadly violence. It's patently absurd to equate guns with other "tools" and extrapolate that the latter would substitute for the former should guns be banned from the planet. The world would be better off if NO ONE (including criminals and crackpots) had guns. And this means cops and the military, too.

#21.2 Beth on 07/21/12 at 07:39 AM [Reply]

Let them go Odin. When their family member is raped, wounded, or killed due to their "Obama brainwashing" you can charge them TRIPLE the price for a handgun. LMBO all the way to the bank!

#21.2.1 Anonymous on 07/21/12 at 08:50 AM [Reply]

Who knew that "Odin" possesses a FFL! The BAT would like to examine his records.

#22 Odins Eye on 07/20/12 at 02:48 PM [Reply]

Fact is, you are taking a tradgedy and spinning it to fit your own personal agenda.
Your ad hominim attacks only prove you lack any viable argument.

#22.1 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 03:43 PM [Reply]

What your post proves is that you can't spell "tragedy" or "ad hominem." You know, if you're gonna use a highfalutin' Latin phrase, at least try to spell it correctly. And, BTW, I'm not trying to 'spin' anything. Facts are brutal things. And those facts in the instant case are: A nut with a bunch of guns went on a firearm rampage and wounded 71 people.
So, Norse god, go out and play with your guns.

#23 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 06:51 PM [Reply]

What allows an 80 year old woman defend herself against a 20 year old punk, a gun, it is nice to see the anti-gun people distort the constitution for what they support and then knock it when it comes to the second amendment. My wife carries a s&w .380 bodyguard, my 5 year old daughter has her .22 cricket and we have over 50 guns in our home. I don't lock my doors, I have a three 100 pound German shepherd alarm systems at my home. I defend myself and my home. :alarm system--- five minute activation--- three minutes to dispatch--- five minutes for deputy to arrive---can you defend your home for 13 minutes without a gun? Maybe reality should hit for these anti nuts when a family member is raped, tortured, or killed. Speak to a law enforcement officer who has had to look into the eyes of a rape victim and see the torment they suffered, if every one had guns we would have no crime from these cowards!

#23.1 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 07:37 PM [Reply]

What a sad, paranoid, violent person you are. (No doubt a contributor to the George Zimmerman defense fund.) I pity the dogs owned by and serving such a savage, hateful master. Kinda like Hitler's German Shepherd dog. You sound like someone who would truly enjoy inflicting physical harm on another human being.

#23.1.1 Anonymous on 07/20/12 at 08:20 PM [Reply]

Everybody should be required by law to own and carry a gun.if just one person in that movie theater had a gun with them then only the perpetrator liberal nut job would have been killed.
Liberal nut jobs should not be allowed to own guns.

#24 joker on 07/21/12 at 09:09 AM [Reply]

Well we may get to see if the spineless republicans will now stand up for the constitution. Everyone should know the criminal goverment is going to use this tragedy to push trough the UN small arms treaty. If those in goverment want to disarm the public start with the military and law enforcement. Oh yeah where were the police why couldnt they "protect" all of those people? Guess we are going to see TSA at malls and theaters as well.

#25 Col. J Copper on 07/21/12 at 09:33 AM [Reply]

The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own.
Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can ceratinly be corrected by good men with rifles.

#26 Mr. O. B. Vious on 07/21/12 at 10:35 AM [Reply]

Colorado is a false flag.
hatched by feds.

#27 Richard Saunders on 07/21/12 at 11:57 AM [Reply]

So many examples of "the ends justifying the means". How anyone could vote Democrat in this election cycle is beyond me. Go read Stalin and the "Blood Letting" of 1936-38; class warefare, conscription of the economy, media, etc.

#27.1 Anonymous on 07/21/12 at 01:17 PM [Reply]

Many things are probably "beyond" you.

#28 sovrncitzn on 07/21/12 at 01:32 PM [Reply]

FALSE FLAG!!!!!!FALSE FLAG!!!!!!!FALSE FLAG!!!!! RED ALERT!!!!!RED ALERT Mr. obvious is also Mr. right. Feds want your guns they will stop at nothing. Does anyone think the CIA and MI6 are planning any attacks for the olympics. I look for them to stage some more mass shootings mabey some day cares, Then the FEDS can take our guns to "protect" the children while they fund terroist ship in drugs and run guns to drug cartels. And lets not forget the whoremongering S.S.

#29 Mr. O.B. Vious on 07/21/12 at 02:22 PM [Reply]

the shooters behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

#29.1 Actually on 07/23/12 at 05:35 AM [Reply]

It's quite consistant. 90% of the people who kill someone, give up without resistance. When they are faced with someone who is armed, they very often give up without a fight.

#30 sovrncitzn on 07/21/12 at 03:38 PM [Reply]

Sirhan Sirhan black ops. Yeah why would this guy go on a rampage and then calmly surrender to the cops. Guess he will be the poster boy for gun control. It would be intrestring to see if he had F.B.I.,S.P.L.C.,or A.D.L. handlers.

#31 TickedOff on 07/21/12 at 04:12 PM [Reply]

I find it ironic that we scream gun control in the wake of this tragedy. Yet the very film in which this tragedy occurs, has scenes of violence eeriely similar to the actual situation. And what are children doing at a movie with this kind of violence? Gun control? really?

#31.1 Anonymous on 07/21/12 at 06:02 PM [Reply]

No guns. No gun nuts. No killings.

Try a train set as your new toy.
Give Glock a rest.

Some the posts here prove how accurate the expression "gun nuts" is.
The tinfoil hat crowd loves to pack heat and look for conspiracy theories.

#31.1.1 Animal Farm on 07/22/12 at 05:43 AM [Reply]

Did you fall asleep during history or focus your efforts on community organizing? what happens to a society without it's right to bear arms? It's not the libs utopian society. what's even more interesting is the perps political persuasion - democrat.

#31.1.2 Anonymous on 07/23/12 at 07:23 AM [Reply]

Until the world is rid of evil men...with their guns and bombs and missles.
Then gun ownership is a necessity for righteous people to remain free.
Can You! rid the world of evil men????

#31.1.2.1 Sheesh on 07/23/12 at 08:13 AM [Reply]

Nope. But, I can count you among them. Not because of the gun so much but your idea that you and your beliefs are somehow righteous and that's why you need a gun. Not even Hitler though he was a bad guy. He thought he was righteous.

#31.1.2.1.1 Anonymous on 07/23/12 at 09:01 AM [Reply]

So now you know the thoughts of Hitler....that does not surprise me.

And when exactly were you annointed as the one who defines righteousness and evil?
Fact is
You cannot rid the world of evil men....you cannot rid the world of guns.
When you choose to accept this reality..the weakness of fear will release its grip on your life.
Choose not to live in fear.

#32 TickedOff on 07/21/12 at 11:11 PM [Reply]

I find it amusing you are such easy prey. You laid low on answering my qusetion on what you'd do if your family was attacked and you only want to attack again instead of have meaningful dialogue. But we all really do understand. You are incapable. There will always be killings. If you think differently you are out of touch.

#32.1 Anonymous on 07/22/12 at 07:09 AM [Reply]

I'm under no obligation to answer your silly hypothetical. My original remark that the world would be better off if no one had guns still stands. The current slaughterhouse in Colorado merely serves to confirm the validity of my sentiment. When laws permit crackpots to purchase 6000 rounds of ammunition online, something is wrong. When laws permit would-be murderers to purchase assault weapons the way you buy a loaf of bread, something needs to be done to halt the killing. That I didn't choose to participate in your juvenile exercise doesn't invalidate my wisdom. Neither does it make me a "bed-wetting communist." Which says a great deal about the level of your argument. Maybe you can take Neal Boortz's place in the Bully of Fame. All you need is a microphone.

#32.1.1 Anonymous on 07/22/12 at 07:07 PM [Reply]

never fear George Clooney and Tom Cruise have arrived at the WhiteHouse, we will all soon be able to experience statist uihopia

#33 TickedOff on 07/22/12 at 09:24 AM [Reply]

Your reference to my question as a silly hypothetical further validates your ignorance. Your original opinion is merited as just that, an opinion, and you are entitled to it. The theater plays a much different role than a slaughterhouse. This will be revealed in days to come. Follow the Batman storyline. Should be easy for you since it ficticous. Purchasing ammunition, bread, or any good in any quantity is capitalism. Yet you somehow think removing guns stops killing. Not true. Like it or not, some people in this world are just plain evil. As the Sandusky victims. How would you protect your family from an intruder?

#34 JT on 07/22/12 at 03:18 PM [Reply]

WELL DANG LOOKS LIKE JUDDS GOT TO DO SOME WORK NOW IF HE KNOWS HOW,OR MAYBE HE CAN FIND ANOTHER REASON TO SPEND MORE MONEY

#35 Anonymous on 07/22/12 at 05:28 PM [Reply]

There have been guns for hundreds of year. Do you believe that a criminal or the drug dealers can not get guns from other countries? The criminal and drug dealers will be the only ones with guns. They come into the US every day from other countries. You gun control nuts want me to give up my only protection for my family and me. Do you honestly know how many guns are out there that the law enforcement people have no clue of? Guns can never be controlled. Too many have been sold. What difference does it make if you are shot with a 22 rifle, a shotgun, a deer rifle or an assault rifle? Dead is dead. The only thing I might agree with is making it illegal to sell or own clips that hold more than maybe 7 to 10 shells. This will minimize the number at a time that can be shot. What about the tear gas, body armor and things found in his apartment that are illegal to be owned by private citizens? Where did they come from? Nobody is crying about them. If he had no gun he could have brought one of these bombs and throw it in the crowd. You are not crying about that. This has happened all thru the years. It would continue to happen even with gun control. I do not understand what you gun control nuts reason with. About all I can see you accomplishing is crying the sky is falling as most liberals have always done.

#36 Anonymous on 07/22/12 at 06:02 PM [Reply]

with gun control your family is a sitting duck. The criminal will have a gun ... you want. Just put the "we have no gun sign on the front lawn". Then sit and wait your turn. The police can not protect everybody at the same time.

#37 Tired of the bs on 07/23/12 at 06:01 AM [Reply]

1) I'm tired of everyone crying about how the police didn't protect these people, and can't protect everyone. The reality and this comes from the Supreme Court, POLICE OFFICERS HAVE NO OBLIGATION OR DUTY TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR PROPERTY.

2) I'm tired of people screaming about how "if you take all the guns away things would be so wonderful." Really??? You don't need to go too far back in history, in fact, just jump on a plane. Kenya, the Congo, Nigeria, Somalia, Guatemala, and Mexico, hundreds of people are slaughtered daily with pitch forks, machetes, hammers, shovels, and clubs.

3) A firearm in and of itself, is a paperweight. It is the person with the weapon that develops the idea, decides on the tool to use to carry out their idea, and picks the time and place to put the idea into action.

4) The reality of the situation, when a community publically promotes the ownership of firearms and encourages it, the crime in that community goes down. There are tons of statistics to support it. When San Francisco talked about banning firearms, crime in Los Angeles dropped and many of the criminals that were well known in Los Angeles moved to San Francisco. Look at Georgia Tech, every time there is a robbery on campus, it is immediately followed by 3 or 4 the next day because the news media broadcasts how students cannot carry a firearm on campus.

When DC removed its ban on firearm ownership, they had the largest decrease in crime in history. Kennesaw, GA, consistently rated the Safest City in the Nation because of its Gun Ownership Ordinance.

Face it, if criminals believe that their victim has the ability to fight back, they will move on to a less opposing victim.

#38 OH NO! on 07/23/12 at 06:43 AM [Reply]

Truck kills crash kills 11, included are children!!! BAN THEM! BAN THEM! We must ban pick up trucks because they are responsible for mass killings!!!!

Yeah, that's how obsurd the gun control crowd is. Yes, this crash did happen in Texas over the weekend.

#39 Mike M. on 07/23/12 at 11:55 AM [Reply]

Mexico does not allow private ownership of firearms..... How is that working out for them?

#40 Anonymous on 07/23/12 at 08:30 PM [Reply]

Who's left in Mexico to own a gun?

#41 Anonymous on 07/26/12 at 11:26 AM [Reply]

The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000, authored by Dr Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health.

That study, which is twelve years old -- and drug deaths have risen considerably since then -- documents 106,000 deaths per year from the "adverse effects" of FDA-approved prescription medications.

To reach this number from outbreaks of violent shootings, you'd have to see an Aurora Colorado Batman movie massacre take place every HOUR of every day, 365 days a year.

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