England criticized over abortion remarks; Website says he compared women to farm animals in debate

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In a reaction sure to reaffirm his standing among Barrow County conservatives, Rep. Terry England is incurring the wrath of liberal bloggers from across the United States over comments he made during the Georgia House’s debate of a bill that would narrow the window for legal abortions in this state.

Rep. England, chairman of the powerful House Appropriations Committee, stepped into the fray on Feb. 29 when he took a break from his work on the state budget to wrap up his chamber’s debate on House Bill 954.

That legislation, which the House passed by a vote of 102-65 right after he spoke — and a Senate committee approved on Monday — would restrict to fewer than 20 weeks, instead of the current 26 weeks, the maximum gestational age of a fetus that can be legally aborted.

But it is Rep. England alone who has been targeted by bloggers outside Georgia since the liberal Huffington Post website on March 9 posted a three-minute video of his Leap Day remarks on the House floor. The video appears to be the one that the Atlanta Feminist Women’s Health Center first uploaded to Youtube.com on March 5.

The Huffington Post included with the video a story that has been picked up by other bloggers and websites. Its headline blazed: “Terry England, Georgia Republican Lawmaker, Compares Women to Farm Animals.”

The potent political shot reverberated like buckshot around cyberspace, and the vitriol, much of it mocking in its tone, went viral.

For the full story, read the Barrow Journal's March 21 print or E-editions.

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#1 Beth Barton on 03/21/12 at 10:16 AM [Reply]

I listened to the YouTube video of Terry England speaking & I did not interpret his remarks as a comparison to farm animals. I understood it as his personal belief that life - in any current or future breathing form - as precious in the eyes of God & man of faith.

#1.1 Gwen in ATL on 03/21/12 at 10:27 AM [Reply]

Of course, because you believe it's OK to force a women to carry a baby that has a fatal anomaly to term. Beth, you are as ignorant as Terry England!

God gave us the ability to create the medical technology that allows us to prevent this kind of pain and agony. Everything is God's Will, correct? Why are our legislators trying to impose their EGO & distortion of God's will on the public? I do NOT think God is happy.

#1.1.1 Never Shocked on 03/21/12 at 11:37 AM [Reply]

While I do believe in womens choice. I am disgusted by how many women use abortion as some sort of birthcontrol.

Gwen, God gave us the ability to manufacturer guns and other weapons... does that make it ok to use them against anyone we feel the urge to? Don't think so.

#1.1.2 Beth Barton on 03/21/12 at 10:03 PM [Reply]

Gwen, I do take offense in your referring to me as ignorant because I expressed my opinion that the words of Rep. England were taken out of content. I respect he is a man of great faith & his experiences in farm life are what he naturally relies upon when voicing his stand on a given subject, even one that involves human reproduction. I did not, as you presumed, say "I" was Pro-Life. In fact, I am personally Pro-Choice in a limited form. In the instance a woman's life is in danger if she carries the child to term, is raped, experiences a pregnancy through incest, or is given the horrific news that her unborn child is either dead in her womb or will be born with such deformities it's life will be torture (to the baby, not the parent), then I feel a woman SHOULD have a choice to obtain an abortion with the direction & assistance of her physician. This is a touchy subject & I respect the opinions of those who express theirs with care & intelligence & not with nasty words or insults.

#2 Odins Eye on 03/21/12 at 10:34 AM [Reply]

Republicans will continue to lose credibility in the political arena as long as they continue to legislate against womens reproductive freedom.

Separation of church and state.

#2.1 Somewhat Agree & Disagree... on 03/21/12 at 01:08 PM [Reply]

"Separation of church and state." You mentioned this phrase, so this is your opinion that Religious beliefs has no place in government decisions, I assume.

You are aware though, that the U.S. Constitution does NOT use that phrase. That "Separation of church and state" is not stated as such in our constitution.

I agree with you that Republicans will continue to lose credibility, But mainly they will hurt themselves in the Elections by continuing to re-hash this issue, that I am NOT a fan or supporter of(abortion) but I think we have much much much Larger issues to deal with and this needs to be left alone.

#2.2 Anonymous on 03/21/12 at 01:08 PM [Reply]

OH, Also: I am suprised too see you on this comment Odin, no Drugs or Police involved on this one

#2.2.1 Haha on 03/22/12 at 07:04 AM [Reply]

Haha! Was just thinking the same thing. No drugs or police involvement...apparently a few thoughts escaped the aluminum foil hat...

#3 nacy on 03/21/12 at 11:37 AM [Reply]

Just let us women with uterus and ovaries make are own decision.Believe it or not,we do have a working brain.

#3.1 A plan on 03/21/12 at 01:33 PM [Reply]

I have no problem with you making your own decisions. I will make a deal with you, you make your own decisions, but do not ask me to pay for those decisions. We all win.

#4 Anonymous on 03/21/12 at 02:18 PM [Reply]

How about this, make your own decesions and dont ask me to pay for them and dont make a decesion that costs someone their life, because while you may be their biological momma you sure as hell are not their judge.Stop the slaughter of innocent children, lets slaughter politicians and lawyers instead . Now that would be a win win situation.
Jack Legg

#5 TickedOff on 03/21/12 at 02:53 PM [Reply]

I love it when women take offense to the abortion issue. The first thing they do is scream and holler about how much their brains work and how its their body and their "right to choose". And I AGREE. You do have a brain,but it seems to quit working when you lay down, and it is your body that you use to participate, and it is your right to choose to keep your legs shut or take a contraceptive. Not one of these involve and unborn child making a decision. Yet women take innocent lives daily. Once again I agree, you choose to kill babies. Mr. Englands comments were contorted to become political and get all the feminists off their backs and on their feet (legs shut), if only for a short time. Actually a few innocent lives will be spared whill they rant and rave.

#5.1 Really on 03/21/12 at 03:43 PM [Reply]

Based on your logic, a rape or incest victim "keep her legs shut" too?
Kindly explain.

#5.1.1 TickedOff on 03/21/12 at 03:55 PM [Reply]

Rape and incest are , in my opinion, cases in which the woman should have the right to decide what is best for her, but very early. That would be an unimaginable situation and I think the woman is best suited to decide. Not trying to be hypocritical, but it is still a life. The rape or incest should be recorded as such by a doctor or police report.

#6 Anonymous on 03/21/12 at 03:12 PM [Reply]

Hey Ticked Off, i.e. Moron:

The woman doesn't get pregnant by herself. Maybe if men would step up to their responsibilities, women wouldn't have to use abortion as an option. Spoken like a typical man you moron.

#7 TickedOff on 03/21/12 at 03:48 PM [Reply]

For a brief moment I thought Jack Legg had returned. Don't call names. That is so childish. Here we go again a woman gets called out and its suddenly the mans fault shes getting an abortion. Give me a damn break. What does getting pregnant have to do with a mans choice or responsibilities? Maybe women should make better choices and not lay down for any swinging... well you get the point. After all, you always want the "right to choose". Oddly enough I support pregnancy termination when the child is going to die or the mothers life is in danger in certain situations. But I will NEVER support it when women use it as a tool for convienence, or shes too stupid to take the pill if shes not interested in motherhood. Shame on you for blaming a man. You have the "right to choose" make good choices.

#7.1 nacy on 03/21/12 at 05:24 PM [Reply]

I have a brain and all woman.Married with a beautiful child,Never had an abortion and never will.So do not think that we all like having abortions .abortions are not as common as 10 years ago,due to many new pills and now the morning after pills 'Plan B"that you can go to any pharmacy and take it ,as long as it 72 hours after sex.Its a high dose of birth control...So many women who does have a abortions are mostly because of some real abuse trama..You and I do not know why she is going.Maybe she was rape.Abortions cause money ,I do not think all these women are lined up willing to pay 500 hundred dollars just because OOPS I got knock up..This is why it should be up to the women and her doctor.

#7.1.1 No offence but.. on 03/21/12 at 07:19 PM [Reply]

I am sorry, but I jus t have to ask, who named you "nacy" and also why dont put a space at the end of sentence? You are touting your education or brain power but your writing is quite hard to follow, incomplete sentences.. I know everyone hates the "english/spelling police" but you keep telling us about your brain but are the hardest comments to read on the page.

#7.1.1.1 nacy on 03/21/12 at 08:33 PM [Reply]

Nacy is hebrew and sorry if my english is bad.my native tongue is hebrew and is totally different from english .We write and read from right to left and ending sentences is still tricky ,but learning.
English will be my third language and hardest to learn.

#8 Anonymous on 03/21/12 at 04:44 PM [Reply]

ATTN bible-thumping womb-nazis: Roe v. Wade.
Get over it.

#8.1 Richard Saunders on 03/22/12 at 05:18 AM [Reply]

Until abortion is either paid for by the woman aborting the baby or by private groups, not with taxpayers' money this issue will remain at the forefront. Liberals believe women have a right to abortions, it's a healthcare issue. OK. That's your choice but do it with your own money. Get tax money out of the equation.

#8.1.1 Jesus on 03/22/12 at 05:52 AM [Reply]

Mighty nice of you to agree to take care of all those widows and orphans!

#9 ME on 03/21/12 at 05:31 PM [Reply]

"Hear-Hear" ticked off... Very good points.. Men may in most cases may be the agressor , but the female has final say and nowadays the answer is often YES.. I for one do not want to pay for anyones birth control( male or female ).However, they can be obtaained free or with a small fee at the local health dept..( taxpayor funded of course )

AS FOR ABORTION..... Once again the male may be the agressor but the woman has final say!!! All could be avoided with some simple planning

#10 Mrs. PACmanM on 03/21/12 at 05:56 PM [Reply]

How sad that so many consider disability as a death sentence for the unborn. What message does that send to all of our children. They only have worth if they are "perfect"??? No wonder children have no self worth these days. They are given the message they only have value under certain circumstances. I applaud Rep. Englands stand and I pray for those who are commenting that view abortion as a choice instead of a gift from God.

#11 Catholic Psychdoc on 03/21/12 at 06:37 PM [Reply]

Kudos to Representative England and all the other reps who voted for the Fetal Pain Bill HB 954. Now let's hope the Senate will vote for it so that babies will not be torn limb from limb from their mothers wombs at a time when they are very vulnerable and can feel excruciating pain.

Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. You can call me names or whatever, that doesn't change the fact that a living, human being is killed in an abortion. (read a biology book, folks.)

The Alan Guttmacher Institute (the research and data collector for Planned Parenthood) has stated that 97% of abortion are done for convenience, 1% for rape and incest, and 2% for all other reasons.

There are 33,000 abortions in Georgia a year. 92 a day. A lot of women making a "choice" to kill their children. How many murders are too many for you?

Finally, abortion hurts women. Studies have shown that--even a study that was done by a pro-abortion researcher. He was as surprised as could be, but at least he was intellectually honest and reported his findings without bias.

Representative Terry England is a pro-life hero. He has had and will always have my support and vote.

#11.1 Old Car Horn on 03/21/12 at 07:13 PM [Reply]

I don't think a respectable Biology book would exactly say "abortion kills a living human being" because it is grappling onto people's emotions by using the term "living human being", which is biased in favor of people who have pro-life views since it assumes the controversial perspective of human life beginning at conception.

#12 Shoshanna on 03/21/12 at 07:28 PM [Reply]

Terry England is a man of integrity and character. It is a shame that the femi-nazis brownshirts have decided to make "him pay."

Their diatribe is full of lies, more lies and damnable lies. We are fortunate to have such men being willing to serve the citizens of this district.

#13 A Vote For Obama on 03/21/12 at 07:31 PM [Reply]

OK, I agree with Rep England's personal support of the bill that our other local Athens Rep proposed. I do not Support Abortion as birth control, moreover I do NOT want my Tax Dollars paying for them, You Pay for your own abortions. My belief is Pro-Life, BUT Would NOT Ban Abortions either.

That being said the Pro-Abortion groups will sell and twist this Floor Speach into a frenzy. WHICH BRINGS ME to My Point: WHY, WHY, WHY is this being done in the Presidential Election Year?? Why not 2011 or 2013?? Do the Republicans just want all those on the fence to Run to Obama? That is what the YouTube & Twisted out of context reporting will do. So This is a Poor Plan to Win the White House back, so I guess we can help out Obama for 4 MORE YEARS...Timing is terrible.

I need some CHANGE I can believe in.

#14 ME on 03/21/12 at 07:44 PM [Reply]

" NO ONE " should tell a fellow human being what THEY think they should do regarding abortion.That is ,but not always,the choice to be made by the male and female involved.If they happen to belive in GOD or don't believe in GOD HE will nevertheless Make Judgement.So lets make that the between GOD and the perpatrators and mind more of our business.For once the government is keeping their nose out of GODS business !!! HE passes judgement not us!! Remember the Bible says "Judge not lest you be judged yourself.For the other crowd"remeber" seperation of church and state...Your are only in charge of your personal decisions so do not stand in judgement, God will handle that

#15 J.B.Moore on 03/21/12 at 08:30 PM [Reply]

The bible also says thou shalt not kill. Please don't construe such logic as above, yes you will answer for your actions just as I will answer for mine. God does not make mistakes, so please don't try to use gods judgement as a defense for your actions. If your conscious will allow you to partake in such actions then you must do what you can live with. I will also say to others don't be hippacirits and curse those who abort a living human and murder it when there are holy rollers that shun those women who are pregnant out of wedlock and will not lift a finger to assist these women in order to save that life that she is carrying. Maybe this would be a moot point if those who curse abortion would do kore than run their mouths.

#16 Anonymous on 03/21/12 at 08:59 PM [Reply]

Terry England like Rick Santorum wants to keep women in the dark ages. It baffles me to hear men talking about abortion. Men will never face this choice!!!!!!

#17 Anonymous on 03/21/12 at 09:01 PM [Reply]

Some fool on here said women choose to get pregnant. Often that is not the case when rape and incest happen.

#18 elena on 03/21/12 at 09:14 PM [Reply]

Woman this woman that. HOW ABOUT MAN WEAR (protection)!!!Simple if you do not want a baby, just wear them. Many guys refuse to wear them and take owner ship.

#18.1 Anonymous on 03/22/12 at 12:23 AM [Reply]

Do you like to take a shower wearing a raincoat?

#19 Me on 03/21/12 at 09:40 PM [Reply]

You misunderstand my Logic.. NO ONE SHOULD JUDGE ANOTHER HUMANS ACTIONS>>>> GODS judgement in no way is a defense for anyone certainly not me. It is , however, a FACT that if you do not seek forgiveness for your sins( OF ANY AND ALL KINDS) you will live you life in purgatory

A reply to elena.... lets not point fingers... it is a two party affair We should be preaching prevention and personal responsibility toward the act itself

#20 ME on 03/21/12 at 10:06 PM [Reply]

A footnote to the above Just look around to see that we live in a modern day Sodom and Gomora .We are turning away from God and taking pleasure of sins in all sizes and shapes.we should be going to church not bars or dance halls where most anybodycan obtain alchol and drugs that range from it will cause you to be DRT or serious brain problems and a whole range of other medical maladays Just remember that if abortion rights are taken away then should start the fight to takeaway peoples car !!!! THEY kill thousands of humans every day,month,and year &&&& could that be called vehiculr abortion??

#21 Anonymous on 03/22/12 at 07:25 AM [Reply]

Funny thing, my insurance will pay for a baby 100%, yet they will not cover birth control. HMMMM maybe if the Healthcare plan would step up this might eliminate the idea of abortion as birth control.

Thank you Terry for reprensenting me at the Capitol!!!! Keep up the fine work that you do!!!!

#22 Grand Idea on 03/22/12 at 09:32 AM [Reply]

I got the perfect way to handle this....ready? I'll let them tell me what to do with my body BUT only if they let me tell you how to run THEIR life. They can tell me that I can or cannot have an abortion, but I get to tell them who you can sleep with, what god they can worship, what car to drive, what food to eat and what job they should have for as long as I have to care for a child that was born because birth control didn't work or was born with health issues. That's fair isn't it? I mean they are telling me what I have to do with my life, why can't I tell them what to do with theirs? And for those saying that tax dollars pay for abortions and birth control, please let me know where these clinics are, I know a rape survivor that can't afford to have the fetus terminated. And oh she wasn't on birth control because she couldn't afford it.

#23 Wow on 03/22/12 at 09:54 AM [Reply]

Gosh, I don't even know where to start. There are some hate filled men on this page commenting. Funny thing is, I find conservative men that scream and point fingers have the MOST skeletons in their closets. Personally, I am glad abortion exists. We are already an overpopulated planet and sadly there are already so many uncared for and unwanted children in the world. Could you imagine the pure human catastrophe we would have if abortions were not an option?? And not every one even believes in God. You cannot expect them to live their lives inline with what God says you should do. As for paying for things you don't want to out of your tax dollars, don't we all do that? Those of us that pay taxes anyway. I am SURE some of my dollars go to things I don't want them to go to. But to be honest, I am too busy working for a living to have the time to research what those things are. I pay my fair share and I live and let live. What a beautiful place it would be if everyone felt that way...

#24 Sue on 03/22/12 at 11:23 AM [Reply]

Hey the 16OO's hundreds are calling they need you to go back and burn some witches.

#25 TickedOff on 03/22/12 at 12:44 PM [Reply]

Why do women immediately divert to rape, incest, hate, and other avenues when challenged on abortion? I don't hate women. I love one in paticular and have for 23 years of marriage. But I don't have to sit by and listen to excuses like I read on this thread for killing an innocent life. An earlier poster was correct 97% of abortions are convienence. It would be much easier to take birth control, get your tubes tied , use condoms, say "no", not get to drunk to control yourself. Abortion is not even about choice. It is a money maker and federal dollars are there to prove it. Just think ladies .. what if you were aborted? Too many families would love to adopt. Ever seen Wednesdays Child on Fox 5? probably not, its not a liberal station.

#25.1 TickedOff on 03/22/12 at 08:56 PM [Reply]

Once again your are correct I am a man. And I will not face abortion. Guess why? Not because Im a man. Because I know how to use a condom, my wife used a contraceptive and we planned our pregnancies. Is that too much work for you? I ll be glad to shut up. You just shut your legs and spare a life. Trying to attach men to abortions in the context you and others on this thread do, makes me seriously question if you even understand birth control. Birth control is before conception. Capeche? Not after. Then the reaction of "Oh no! How did I get pregnant?""What am I gonna do?" Guess I ll just kill it." Every time you use the word abortion us kill or murder instead. Kinda sobering.

#25.1.1 Anonymous on 03/22/12 at 08:59 PM [Reply]

Ticked Off: You are a without a doubt the biggest moron on here. I feel pity for any woman enslaved to you. You are bigoted against women and I wouldn't be surprised if you don't slap your wife around. Probably justify it through the bible like Todd Orr and his ilk.

#25.1.1.1 TickedOff on 03/23/12 at 11:11 AM [Reply]

Just what I expected. Put a little heat on and the name calling and insults begin. Be very careful of the personal attacks you make. They could backfire on you. Ive never even thought of striking my wife or a woman. My wife is not enslaved, shes in love just like me. And no comment I made indicates or makes me a biggot. Bring something to this discussion or stay off here. Your comments are without merit and bringing Todd Orr into this? Really? Maybe you should stop hanging out with men like you describe me to be. Have you had an abortion?

#26 Richard Saunders on 03/22/12 at 12:59 PM [Reply]

Rape, incest, medical abnormalities account for 3% of all abortions in 2011 (roughly 39000). 93% of abortions occur in what the country defines as "economically challenged or impoverished households". What's most troubling, despite liberal propaganda, is availability of contraception is free. What you do with your body is your conscious, what you do with my tax money now becomes my problem.

#27 Really? on 03/22/12 at 03:02 PM [Reply]

To the expert "TickedOff" can I see your research to back up your claims? I would like to study your reports myself since you seem to be an expert on the ins and outs of who gets an abortion.

While we are at it, Richard Saunders, I'd like to see your research as well since you are spouting numbers.

#28 Silence Dogood on 03/22/12 at 03:28 PM [Reply]

#31 and #32. Stop dealing in conjecture and go to the Planned Parenthood Site. It'll tell you the facts about abortions. I'm not saying you can't have casual sex, get pregnant, then abort the fetus. Go do what you want. Just don't do it on my dime. Go hump and abort away.

#29 Anonymous on 03/22/12 at 07:11 PM [Reply]

Once again The Barrow Journal censors are hard at work. If they want to say something that slanders someone in the paper it's ok. If someone answers back then they delete the comments.

#29.1 Once again on 03/22/12 at 07:20 PM [Reply]

Once again ask for the money back that you paid to post comments.

#29.2 Mike Buffington, publisher on 03/22/12 at 09:01 PM [Reply]

Vile comments will be deleted....if you can't post here with a modicum of decency, you are welcome to start your own blog and say anything you wish.

#29.2.1 Anonymous on 03/22/12 at 09:02 PM [Reply]

But why can your reporters slander honest people in the paper and on this website and when people try to defend them you delete the posts?

#29.2.2 Robert Lanham on 03/22/12 at 09:49 PM [Reply]

Mike - as much as I appreciate the work that you are doing, this web site is creating a lot of problems. This story, for example - if you posted the entire story on this web site, then a lot of the vitriol would lack any substance - assuming that people actually read the whole article. The article in the paper was very even handed, and explained, in great detail, Terry's remarks and the context in which they took place. However, the few lead paragraphs that you published on this web site didn't do justice to the whole story.

Similarly, the article on our esteemed (?) chairman's latest antics drew a lot of criticism. Had those same people read the whole article, they would have understood that Danny did, in fact, manage to insult the very people (our mayors) that he was trying to court. But, the web site lead in didn't provide enough data for people to understand exactly what he did.

I understand that you are trying to sell newspapers, and to that end, I would suggest that everyone refrain from comment until they have read the complete article, but your practice of only posting part of the story, perhaps intentionally, creates more controversy than is necessary.

Newspapers should report the news, not create it!

#29.2.2.1 Mike Buffington, publisher on 03/23/12 at 07:03 AM [Reply]

You make a good point, but even if we posted full articles, there are some people who would continue to post bile here. That I fear is the nature of blogs.

#30 Anonymous on 03/22/12 at 07:25 PM [Reply]

Censorship is wrong in any form. Freedom of expression is absolute.

#31 Anonymous on 03/22/12 at 07:27 PM [Reply]

Wonder why The Barrow County News didn't report on this? Should I call them and ask why?

#32 quit your on 03/22/12 at 11:45 PM [Reply]

whining, just because a story is presented and ppls point of view on what they get from story is different from yours does not mean yours is correct or others either, thats why it is comments section.

#33 either way on 03/23/12 at 02:04 AM [Reply]

abortion is legal and so is the pill, my company will cover it, i choose to pay the 18 dollars a month myself...
it is my choice not to have to decide if i need abortion, my employer or whoever if a church or masque or stake or temple should not have to take part in morally opposed program, not just not have to pay because if having insurance and not having to pay for child preventioncreation directly but your carrier still having to provide it still makes your part promoting it.
this is religous freedom issue not womens mens or childrens issue.

#34 Mom of two on 03/23/12 at 08:28 AM [Reply]

Frankly, when I hear of children who have been abused, tortured, and starved to death by their caretakers, I can't help but think it would have been more humane for them to have been aborted.
Whether or not to abort an unwanted pregnancy is a very personal decision. I doubt that the majority of women take this decision lightly. For most, I'm sure it is quite heart-wrenching. I don't know if there are statistics avaiable, but given this is a pretty invasive, medical procedure, I don't think it's used as casual birth control as often as some of you would like others to think.
Bottom line: this should not be dictated by the government. Also, I agree that this most current discussion is a ploy to get voters off track & steer votes to Obama.

#35 Elena on 03/23/12 at 11:32 AM [Reply]

My grandma is 87 year old..She told me that back in her times if a unwed girl got pregnant it was a big taboo.They did not have pills or many protections like today.but abortions was very common underground .girls would go to these "butcher'/fake doctors and pay not more then 5 dollars .sadly many would end up in the hospital for bleeding or infections.Society used to be hard on unwed mothers..My grandma said when they did legalize it,they actually put more control ..

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